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In a group of 16 people, includes Mr, Joe, and Mr. Smith, how many ways to...

In a group of 16 people, includes Mr, Joe, and Mr. Smith, how many ways to make a group of 6 people from 16 people, that includes Mr.Smith and Mr. Joe?

Is it possible to solve it in two ways either Combination or permutation ?

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